#readsaa4

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Eira Tansey
eiratansey

I'm leading the next Reading Archivists discussion tomorrow night. Use #readsaa4 Our readings are here http://t.co/GfEPTFmKWX
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

Writing some intentionally provocative questions for #readsaa4 tomorrow. You guys this is going to be fun. Or there will be pitchforks?!
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

Some great pre-game comments for #readsaa4 at http://t.co/GfEPTFmKWX We're discussing archival ed and identity 2night @ 8pm Eastern!
SNAP Roundtable
SNAP_Roundtable

Hey, #snaprt chatters! The Reading Archivists chat, led by @eiratansey, starts in 15min (8pm ET) using #readsaa4
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

Welcome to #readsaa4! Tonight's discussion is on education & training for archivists, & professional identity. More: http://t.co/3y1Scs6jld
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

#readsaa4 Please introduce yourself! I'm Eira, Digital Archivist/Records Manager at a Midwestern university.
badger5
badger5

#readsaa4 Hey y'all. I'm Mary Richardson, Project Archivist at Yale Divinity Library.
S. Bennett
stephestellar

#readsaa4 Stephanie here, project archivist at a Midwestern land-grant university
Elise Dunham
elisedunham

#readsaa4 Hi, everyone! I'm Elise, Metadata Production Specialist at The Roper Center for Public Opinion Research at UConn.
Samantha Winn
Sam_Winn

#Readsaa4 Hello all, I'm Sam, collections archivist for Virginia Tech and relatively recent grad.
amelish
amelish

#readsaa4 I'm Amy -- digital curation & archives student at Maryland... and I have to duck out :( Looking forward to catching up later.
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

@athenasowl1234 Hey Christina! Glad you can join. Please remember to use #readsaa4 in yr tweets so that you're part of the discussion :)
Christina
athenasowl1234

#readsaa4 Hi all! Sorry about that :)
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

Welcome to all who are here for #readsaa4, and glad y'all can join. Let's get the discussion started. Plz inc Q number if poss & #readsaa4
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

Q1 The American archival profession grew out of history, but recently has tracked closer to librarianship. What's next? #readsaa4
Samantha Winn
Sam_Winn

A1 In ideal future, I imagine the profession will solidify/formalize its identity as a distinct vocation within info sci #readsaa4
badger5
badger5

Q1 #readsaa4 I think it will continue to be intertwined with library science. It's merging into INFORMATION SCIENCE. And that's not bad.
Lindsay Zaborowski
L_Zaborowski

#readsaa4 Hey everyone, I can be here for just a bit! I'm Lindsay Zaborowski, Archivist at the Museum of Flight in Seattle.
S. Bennett
stephestellar

Q1 I see intertwining with iSchool-ish skills: managing folks with tech bkgds if not having every skill ourselves. See it w e-recs #readsaa4
Samantha Winn
Sam_Winn

A1 I also hope/predict that archivists will embrace the chance to manage records of enduring value beyond the historic realm #readsaa4
S. Bennett
stephestellar

@badger5 Speaks to Joyce's pt about "information science continuum" - we're all scooting around on the same line, just in dff ways #readsaa4
Lindsay Zaborowski
L_Zaborowski

.@Sam_Winn #readsaa4 A1 Agree w/ Sam here, & I figure as interdisciplinary work increases we will maintain bonds w/ many disciplines
badger5
badger5

@stephestellar I exclaimed "yes!" when I read that! #readsaa4
S. Bennett
stephestellar

@Sam_Winn "records of enduring value beyond the historic realm" yes! Do you have something specific in mind? #readsaa4
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

@stephestellar @Sam_Winn I'd also like to hear some elaboration on this #readsaa4
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

Q2 What changes could be made to American archival education to strengthen the profession? #readsaa4
badger5
badger5

A2 #readsaa4 More management courses in regard not only to records, but managing people.
Christina
athenasowl1234

Q1 Agree with @badger5 it is merging into info science which gives it ability to do more imo #readsaa4
Samantha Winn
Sam_Winn

Q2 I am conflicted. One hand, I'd love to see more lab/workshop/sandbox opps alongside archival theory (even in lieu of lib core) #readsaa4
natalie baur
nataliembaur

@eiratansey why just American? #readsaa4
S. Bennett
stephestellar

This is less abt education but SAA putting forth CORE competencies for archivists. Grad schools can specialize/shift their focus+ #readsaa4
Samantha Winn
Sam_Winn

Q2 On other hand, I think it's beneficial for librarians, archivists, & other info pros to work together/learn about each other #readsaa4
S. Bennett
stephestellar

But I would like us to agree "archivist must haves" instead of leaving grad schools/future archivists to figure it out #readsaa4
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

@nataliembaur Just speaking from the wheelhouse I know -- please chime in though on int'l archival education though! #readsaa4
S. Bennett
stephestellar

(oh blast, I forgot Q2s on those tweets) #readsaa4
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

@stephestellar In fairness, SAA does have guidelines for graduate archival ed. But how do we enforce it? #readsaa4
Samantha Winn
Sam_Winn

Q2 Also, arch ed progs could be more responsive to innovations happening in profession to prep students for careers #readsaa4
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

@stephestellar Links to SAA's Guidelines for Graduate Archival Ed http://t.co/UbdbxRQRij #readsaa4
Christina
athenasowl1234

Q2 As a current student- more hands on workshops/labs are needed, internships are great but are diff to get in 1st yr w/o exp. #readsaa4
Elise Dunham
elisedunham

Q2 Perhaps archives-focused currics based on core comps plus a required course on "the info sci umbrella"? #readsaa4
S. Bennett
stephestellar

@nataliembaur That's a great Q. How could int'l ed inform practices here, or vice versa. ICA may have more resources than SAA too #readsaa4
Samantha Winn
Sam_Winn

.@badger5 Yes! Management skills are critical, esp for people who b/c lone arrangers or dept heads right out of school #readsaa4
S. Bennett
stephestellar

Q2 Also, I wish I had the opp to take ARCHIVAL reference class: somewhat diff from "library" reference. Tho nice to have that too #readsaa4
Samantha Winn
Sam_Winn

@stephestellar @nataliembaur Not sure re: ICA's resources in terms of arch ed, but interesting work in fmr Commonwealth countries #readsaa4
Samantha Winn
Sam_Winn

.@eiratansey @nataliembaur Archivists in Africa, S. Asia, & Oceania have unique ways of working w/ indigenous communities, for ex. #readsaa4
Helen Schubrt Fields
magicallyreal

@badger5 We had that at Simmons, and it was immensely helpful. Also probably the most challenging class I took #readsaa4
Samantha Winn
Sam_Winn

.@eiratansey @nataliembaur I also think archivists outside of US deal more frankly w/ "right to be forgotten" #readsaa4
natalie baur
nataliembaur

@eiratansey there are lots of emerging programs in LatAm that are now getting out of rut of being affiliated w history depts #readsaa4
S. Bennett
stephestellar

@eiratansey And market it more, and infuse it into job listings and things? Yeah, great question - prob related to COPA/comm work #readsaa4
Sami Norling
SamiNorling

Hey everybody, joining in late from Atlanta tonight, I'm Sami, Archivist @imamuseum! #readsaa4
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

@Sam_Winn @nataliembaur I want to get at specific modes of education -- how are archivists educated outside of US/Ca? #readsaa4
natalie baur
nataliembaur

@Sam_Winn @eiratansey yes! In LatAm indigenous rights to information are protected constitutionally #readsaa4
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

Q3 Do you think there is a blurring of boundaries between archivists and librarians, especially with digital "stuff"? #readsaa4
S. Bennett
stephestellar

@magicallyreal @badger5 I'm interested in how many schools do this - I do appreciated the Simmons requirement #readsaa4
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

@eabenoit @Sam_Winn @nataliembaur Hey Ed, please remember to include the #readsaa4 hashtag if you want to join in to tonight's discussion!
Christina
athenasowl1234

@magicallyreal @badger5 Had a great one too,I would've liked one specifically 4 archives and not just libraries though #readsaa4
Sami Norling
SamiNorling

Q2 I know @archivists_org doesn't rly want to take on role of accreditor, but I strongly believe this would bring positive changes #readsaa4
S. Bennett
stephestellar

A3 This might be misinformed, but I see digital lines as less blurry. E-loans v diff from e-recs, similar tasks but diff goals #readsaa4
natalie baur
nataliembaur

Q3 yes. Or, librarians not thinking about long term #digipres for things they manage like ebooks and IRs #readsaa4
natalie baur
nataliembaur

Q3 I especially notice this in the Open Access movement. #readsaa4
S. Bennett
stephestellar

@SamiNorling I don't think SAA has capacity to do that, so what ways could they get at that? Archival Ed partnership.collab? #readsaa4
Kevin Clair
jackflaps

Q3: mixing libraries and archives viz. digital stuff is almost literally what my job title is, so: yep #readsaa4
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

@stephestellar I think institutional repositories have radically changed the way archivists acquire (or often don't) stuff #readsaa4
Ed Benoit III
eabenoit

@eiratansey I think there is some overlap, but the differences need more focus #readsaa4
Helen Schubrt Fields
magicallyreal

Q3 I get the impression that positions dealing with digital resources are more likely to be officially *called* "librarian" #readsaa4
natalie baur
nataliembaur

@eiratansey @stephestellar it's amazing how many non archivists are given the responsibility of managing IRs #readsaa4
Kevin Clair
jackflaps

also hi, Kevin Clair, Archives Processing/Metadata Librarian from Colorado. in transit from ATL so that’s the only #readsaa4 ? I can do
Sami Norling
SamiNorling

@stephestellar Definitely would be uphill climb that required many staffing/structural additions, but benefits could be worth it #readsaa4
S. Bennett
stephestellar

@eiratansey Huh - we work pretty well with our IR, lots of sharing - but I guess that counts as blurry ;) #readsaa4
Sami Norling
SamiNorling

@stephestellar Wrking grp could establish more concrete, measurable reqs--programs would benefit, therefore seek out credential #readsaa4
Ed Benoit III
eabenoit

@magicallyreal I think this comes from a misunderstanding of the unique characteristics of digital archives #readsaa4
Samantha Winn
Sam_Winn

@stephestellar @SamiNorling At very least, maybe a memo of understanding/joint partnership with ALA office of accred. #readsaa4
Helen Schubrt Fields
magicallyreal

Q3 In a survey I did of archivists/LIS (on a diff topic), 13% of respondents said they were hybrid archivist/librarians #readsaa4
Sami Norling
SamiNorling

Q3 Having just attended #dlfforum, I'm convinced isn't enough line-blurring b/w archivists, librarians, museums profs, re: digital #readsaa4
S. Bennett
stephestellar

@nataliembaur I've only worked at 1 institution with an IR; our coord is an archivist and the IR sits in the library thankfully #readsaa4
Christina
athenasowl1234

Q3 @magicallyreal prob b/c most outside of profession still blend the two together. #readsaa4
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

@SamiNorling being devil's advocate... how can archivists maintain certain core concepts if we blur all professional boundaries? #readsaa4
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

Q4 Many professions regulate entry to the field (e.g., the bar) but not archivists. What effect has this had? #readsaa4
Kevin Clair
jackflaps

@magicallyreal did that correlate with institution size at all? I feel like that’s part of it for me, we have a smallish staff #readsaa4
Ed Benoit III
eabenoit

@SamiNorling I did an examination of the variety of terms used for digital collections and concluded that... #readsaa4
S. Bennett
stephestellar

@eiratansey @SamiNorling Also, GLAM-line-blurring can work but also am more concerned about selling Archives/Archivists skills + #readsaa4
Helen Schubrt Fields
magicallyreal

@jackflaps I'm just going by a general impression of job titles I've seen, so that's definitely possible. #readsaa4
Ed Benoit III
eabenoit

@SamiNorling... All dig archives are dig libraries, but all dig libraries are not dig archives #readsaa4
Samantha Winn
Sam_Winn

Q4 I mentioned this on blog, but it can diminish our ability to deal w/ donors, administrators, peers w/in parent org #readsaa4
Samantha Winn
Sam_Winn

Q4 To expand, regulation itself isn't issue, but fact that we are reluctant to ID ourselves as trained professionals #readsaa4
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

@eabenoit @SamiNorling Is this research you've published? Would love to read it #readsaa4
S. Bennett
stephestellar

@eiratansey @SamiNorling to folks outside our main ally disciplines - getting into chains of command outside of GLAM #readsaa4
Sami Norling
SamiNorling

@eabenoit I disagree--both are digital collections, but we still need to maintain defs of libraries v. archives in dig realm #readsaa4
badger5
badger5

Q4 It doesn't seem to matter what you do to get that first job whether it's xp or certification. Part of it is luck. #readsaa4
Sami Norling
SamiNorling

@eabenoit ha just saw the first part of your tweet! Much to think about... #readsaa4
Ed Benoit III
eabenoit

@eiratansey @SamiNorling It was part of my dissertation on tagging within MPLP dig archives Will be published separately in future #readsaa4
Helen Schubrt Fields
magicallyreal

Q4 I don't think it's entirely true that we don't, since an MA/MS is generally required (comparable to a JD, though not the bar) #readsaa4
badger5
badger5

Q4 #readsaa4 The profession is haphazard and at times at tension with itself. The entry point into the profession is a bottleneck.
Sami Norling
SamiNorling

@eiratansey I'm more lamenting fact that we still seem to cherish our silos, esp. w/ dig, and would benefit from being more open #readsaa4
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

@magicallyreal The MLIS is a hiring requirement, not a professionally-enforced requirement. I think there's a difference #readsaa4
Samantha Winn
Sam_Winn

@eiratansey @nataliembaur Still pondering this q. It looks like Britain has archives/records mgmt degrees accred. by ARA #readsaa4
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

@magicallyreal there's really nothing to stop someone from calling themselves an archivist, unlike attys or med professionals #readsaa4
Ed Benoit III
eabenoit

@magicallyreal What about the CA program? Could it ever be seen as the main path? #readsaa4
Samantha Winn
Sam_Winn

General q. to the internet: Has there ever been a comparative study of archival education models around the world? #readsaa4
S. Bennett
stephestellar

Q4 I think some confusion even among archivists as to what skills/experience individuals have, tho MLS is often standard *now* #readsaa4
S. Bennett
stephestellar

Q4 But I don't think we can blame all our profession-wide issues on lacking Archives Bar. Ppl don't know, meet, or use archives + #readsaa4
Judith Lucci Writes
JudithLucci

Smile! And the World Smiles with You! Alex Destephano #MEDICAL #THRILLERS http://t.co/zEgY2AcTi6 #ASMSG 5* #readsaa4 http://t.co/p8C2z4w76J
Samantha Winn
Sam_Winn

@nataliembaur @stephestellar ... What can we learn from peers developing/reforming archival practices in other countries? #readsaa4
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

@eabenoit @magicallyreal are you sure about that? I know academics with their CA #readsaa4
Helen Schubrt Fields
magicallyreal

Q4 But would they help by filtering by skill, or by creating barriers in terms of $$ and time that would hamper diversity? #readsaa4
Erin Lawrimore
barkivist

@elisedunham @athenasowl1234 @nataliembaur @eiratansey This is why I'm so keen on clearly articulating your value to parent org! #readsaa4
natalie baur
nataliembaur

@Sam_Winn @stephestellar and I think that model needs to flip a bit #readsaa4
Amiable Archivists
amiablearcsalon

RT @eiratansey: If anyone missed #readsaa4 on archival education & professional identity, here is the Storify of it: http://t.co/P28RbjNTz3…
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

Thanks everyone for a great #readsaa4! Storify coming in next few days. Check out November's readings: http://t.co/ChL8bSUMAO
Rebecca Pattillo
life_of_sources

Reading lit abt archival edu & qualifctns desired by employers & it's all over the place. I think practical exp via intern best #readsaa4
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

@joshatavps @magicallyreal hey josh, glad you're with us, make sure to include #readsaa4 in future tweets
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

Dang, doing appraisal and selection for making a concise #readsaa4 Storify is waaaaay harder than I thought it would be. Thanks again y'all!
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

Q5 Does our loose professional definition hinder our ability to attain professional status markers, such as higher salaries? #readsaa4
Elise Dunham
elisedunham

@stephestellar @eiratansey @athenasowl1234 @nataliembaur My struggle lately is #digipres.Policy/inst commitment SO imp butnot sexy #readsaa4
Christina
athenasowl1234

@elisedunham @stephestellar @eiratansey @nataliembaur Maybe part of focus should be on ways of get/keeping inst commitment #readsaa4
Ed Benoit III
eabenoit

@magicallyreal It is also problematic that academics (such as myself) cannot qualify to sit for the exam #readsaa4
S. Bennett
stephestellar

@badger5 - and I hope we newer archivists can smooth that path a bit more #readsaa4
Elise Dunham
elisedunham

@athenasowl1234 @nataliembaur @eiratansey What can archivists point to and say "look we did that" to communicate purpose, meaning? #readsaa4
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

If anyone missed #readsaa4 on archival education & professional identity, here is the Storify of it: https://t.co/w1dTTWWBdJ
Erin Lawrimore
barkivist

@eiratansey Q5 I think certification of some sort has helped raise salaries in many that historically were lower pay (ex: nurses) #readsaa4
S. Bennett
stephestellar

@badger5 "At tension with itself" great way to put it - Crittendon says wide perspective and specializations can work together + #readsaa4
S. Bennett
stephestellar

- on community-wide scale... yet #muahaha #readsaa4
Ed Benoit III
eabenoit

@eiratansey @magicallyreal The ones that I know who have it acquired it while being practitioners #readsaa4
Sami Norling
SamiNorling

Q4 One big affect is overabundance of profs to jobs - obviously job market still wouldn't be great, but standards would help #readsaa4
Samantha Winn
Sam_Winn

.@stephestellar Yes, at least in newest cohorts; if you surveyed SAA membership generally, I wonder what the proportion would be #readsaa4
natalie baur
nataliembaur

@eiratansey I dunno. There's no cert for bankers and computer programmers and they don't have issues w salary. #readsaa4
Samantha Winn
Sam_Winn

@eiratansey Seriously, it rocked! I have even more questions than I started with, ha ha #readsaa4
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

@elisedunham @athenasowl1234 @nataliembaur the fact that people can see the Constitution is my fav example #readsaa4
Samantha Winn
Sam_Winn

@stephestellar ICA might facilitate, tho @archivesnext have raised serious ?s about its willingness to make room for indivs. #readsaa4
Sami Norling
SamiNorling

@elisedunham @athenasowl1234 @nataliembaur @eiratansey...@KDRoe122's Year of Living Dangerously getting us to actively think about #readsaa4
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

@eabenoit CA was originally conc'd as part of a 3-leg stool, others being grad ed accreditiation & actual archives-accred #readsaa4
Samantha Winn
Sam_Winn

@nataliembaur @stephestellar Small improvements, but my SAA ? remains... [1/2] #readsaa4
Sami Norling
SamiNorling

Q5 It's not necessarily the "loose" definition that hinders us, but the vague understanding of our work, skills outside of field #readsaa4
Eira Tansey
eiratansey

@eabenoit ...but SAA shied away from doing accreditation because of many complicated, some defensible, some not-so, reasons #readsaa4
Ed Benoit III
eabenoit

@nataliembaur @Sam_Winn AERI is an IMLS funded project hosted by different universities each year. This year was Pitt #readsaa4
Ed Benoit III
eabenoit

@Sam_Winn I don't know of a formal one, but we often discuss it at the Archives Education & Research Institute #AERI #readsaa4
Sami Norling
SamiNorling

Q4 We would maybe also see job ads outside of traditional repositories that truly reflect the skills of an archivist #readsaa4
Elise Dunham
elisedunham

@eiratansey @athenasowl1234 @nataliembaur To the common person, sure, but our everyday work has to matter to admins. #readsaa4
Christina
athenasowl1234

@nataliembaur @eiratansey it could be b/c of perception, ppl need bankers/comp programmers but do they think they need archivists? #readsaa4
Ed Benoit III
eabenoit

I just realized I jumped in w/o intro. I'm Ed, an assistant professor (archives) at LSU SLIS #readsaa4
Rebecca Pattillo
life_of_sources

Current MLS/PHist student interning under @SamiNorling, even I'm confused about educ. path to take to become "qualified" archivist #readsaa4
Helen Schubrt Fields
magicallyreal

I also jumped in without intro - I'm Helen, recent MS grad, current MA student & processing intern #readsaa4
Ed Benoit III
eabenoit

@Sam_Winn @nataliembaur Yes, but participants come from US, Canada, UK, and Australia #readsaa4
Helen Schubrt Fields
magicallyreal

@eabenoit I think that was goal, in which case we'd function very much like law, but employers (esp acad) seem to actively resist #readsaa4